A former journalist and business analyst that now works in the world of travel marketing. Based in Toronto, Red Hunt has travelled to more than 50 countries over the past 15 years. You can follow Red on Instagram or Twitter.
I’ve only been walking for 10 minutes, but all I’m saying to myself is “Death Valley, what the hell!?”
Badwater Basin. The lowest point in North America at -282ft below sea level is turning up the heat this late afternoon. It’s not even summer yet, as I visited in early June, but the temperature is at 120F, or 49C. I parked the car in the parking lot and went for a walk out onto the open salt flats – because why not wander out into the searing heat without a single tree or source of shade nearby?
Boardwalk at Badwater Basin
I feel like I am being burned from all directions.
The sun is pounding down from a nearly cloudless sky. It seems to be mocking the hat I have on, as if it will really do me any good in this crazy heat.
The ground is caked dry. Save for a few weird holes dug into the salty surface that exude a gooey liquid. Likely some salty brine. Some brown, some white, the ground itself also mocks you in Badwater Basin. Protect yourself from the sun as much as you want, don’t forget about some searing heat and reflections from the ground too.
Dry, cracked ground in Death Valley
I have been outside for almost 15 minutes now, and I recall the guy on the radio saying you burn in 5 minutes in these conditions. Being cooked from above and below, I feel like I am good to keep going further to a spot that looks like it will make for a scenic photo.
There is only one other person out this far in Badwater Basin, everyone else took a short 5 minute or less jaunt before scurrying back to their cool cars. Part of why I think I am good to keep going is because of the strong wind blowing.
Sure, the wind is hot. Like standing in front of a furnace. So it is stupidly dry too. I think it was 3% humidity out. Basically pure dryness. So I’m not sweating. My lips want to crack and throat is dry, but at least it isn’t humid and I “feel strong” so keep on walking.
Death Valley National Park, Hiking out in the Badwater Basin
A few minutes later I turn around to take some photos. Now, not facing the sun and wind, I can feel that I am indeed starting to burn already. Also, yep, I’m a bit tired. Not exhausted or anything, but I can definitely tell this climate is doing its best to destroy me.
I am about half as far as I wanted to go. But I swallow my pride, tell Death Valley to screw itself one more time, and begin the walk back to my car. I’m out on the flat lands of Badwater Basin for maybe 30 minutes in late afternoon in early June.
Badwater Basin – Elevation Sign
But when I do get back into my car, my body seems to want to overheat. Weird. I felt great, if not a bit tired, when hiking out there. But the actual surface of my skin is crazy hot. I start to sweat in the car. I don’t have heat stroke or anything, it is just kind of weird that I was so dry outside and now I’m sweating.
I guzzle a litre of water like it’s a shot glass and realize how crazy quick you can get dehydrated in Death Valley National Park. I start to wonder if my decision to camp in Death Valley overnight might not be the smartest move.
Death Valley – Earth’s Lowest Sign
Then it dawns on me that people actually lived and worked here. Some people still do! Who would ever want to live here? The thought of working in the old mining operations, or living in the area out of choice seems ridiculous. There are places on earth where we are not meant to be, and despite its beauty, I think Death Valley is one of them.
With that said, I’d love to return and visit again, ha! Maybe with an extra thick layer of sunscreen next time.
I wasn’t surprised, but at the same time felt a bit guilty I hadn’t posted a warning about them years ago. You see they still owe me $2,000 from when I worked for them many years ago.
Broken Down Moose Travel Van – Was it a Sign of Things to Come?
It was sad to see they hadn’t cleaned up their act, but knowing that the “Moose East” operations are now out of business and no more travellers will be harmed by sketchy business operations, brings a bit of closure. Doubly sad is that there is a big void for the service that Moose Travel tried to provide – affordable backpacking trips in Eastern Canada. They could have done it so much better and been a very successful company.
For anyone curious to know more on my background working with Moose Travel, here is a blog post from 2016 that I never got around to publishing when they were still in operation. At the time I didn’t want to give them any publicity, as small as this little blog may be.
The life of freelancers…
The travel industry is not known as one of the highest paying industries, but it sure can be a ton of fun if you work with the right businesses.
Making money as a travel writer and travel marketing consultant can be challenging. You may be offered amazing trips around the world, in lieu of pay, for creating an entire marketing plan. Or perhaps an online outlet wants to pay you $25 for a travel article that will take you 4 hours to write. Depending on your current situation, sometimes you have to accept those opportunities.
Thankfully, if you stick with it, you can find permanent contracts, or clients that happily pay your reasonable professional fee of $90/hour because they know you produce results.
Hungry Deer on a Moose Trip
Working for Moose Travel, back in 2012 and 2013…
Not too many years ago, I was a tour guide and tour driver with Moose Travel Network in Canada. For an entire season I enjoyed showing visitors to Canada the best of Ontario and Quebec. I had intended to continue working with them the next season even though it was a job that paid next to nothing. How come? Because it was an active, fun outdoor job and the only way I was able to afford to pay my bills each month was because they also hired to do some marketing and social media work for them.
Quiet Time on a Moose Trip
Things went smoothly for a number of months, then they decided to reduce the monthly pay on the marketing and social media side of things. Alright, no worries. You get what you pay for, so I reduced the marketing content appropriately.
Problems with Moose Travel
Then, as the summer went on and I was enjoying being a tour guide, Moose Travel started to skip payments on the social media and marketing efforts. I had to chase them to get late payments. Very annoying, I still had plenty of bills to pay and was now on the road for weeks at a time, making it difficult to secure other paying freelance gigs.
By the end of the season, once tours were finished and there were no more travellers to drive around, they still owed me a chunk of money for that consulting side of things. I chased them every week or so, and they had a long list of excuses for not paying. It became a source of stress since the tour guiding season was over.
Here I am, a solo freelancer, trying to survive, and another small business doesn’t care if they pay me.
Hiking is More fun when You’re being Paid
I thought only big corporations did that kind of crap. But I wasn’t going to cause a huge issue about it, as they were saying they would pay me, and I was still doing my monthly marketing and social media efforts for them as I sought out new job opportunities.
Moose Travel Didn’t Like Paying Others Either
I remember having a good chat with Ben Teskey, the then-owner of the Wolf Den Hostel in Algonquin Park. I had brought a Moose Travel group there towards the end of the season and everyone was having a great time playing cards or sitting around the campfire. It had become practice for Moose Travel to give their guides a pre-paid credit card before each tour, to pay for certain hotels, fuel and food.
Ben was always strict in making sure everything was fully paid up right away – before we could go to our rooms and before giving the groups a run down of the hostel facilities, he lined everyone up to pay. He told me he had previously invoiced Moose Travel for their groups, but it had become a huge pain and he didn’t get paid for months and months. It got to the point where he had to call them up and tell them if they didn’t pay upfront they couldn’t stay any more.
That Feeling when Moose Travel gives you the Silent Treatment
Smart guy! He wasn’t the only person I talked to that had the same story about issues collecting payments. I’ve learned to adopt similar practices now when I have new clients, since you never know which company might screw you over!
At least I knew that it wasn’t just me who Moose Travel was treating with a complete lack of respect when it came to paying their clients and suppliers. I didn’t make me feel any better, but I learned not to take it personally, it had just become a poor business practice that they seemed to think was acceptable.
Week by week, month by month, the stress grew as Moose Travel Network continued to miss their own self-imposed payment deadlines. “We’ll get the money to you next week” was the kind of thing I would frequently hear. Heading in to the new year, I was still chasing them for payment, with their overdue amount creeping up to $3000.
Nice Sunset, but how about a Paycheque?
For someone like me who didn’t have a “real” job at the time, but still had a mortgage to pay, that is a big chunk of money.
Partial Payments, Cancelled Payments, More Excuses
So, the next season I had changed my mind and had no intention of returning as a driver and guide. But I had every intention of collecting that money I was owed. I continued to send overdue payment emails and spoke to Moose Travel owner Megan Lalancette on the phone multiple times. Every time I got a verbal or email promise that payment would be made soon.
Realizing that these marketing services were seen as disposable by Moose, but that their tour guides were an integral part of their business, I figured the only way I may get the marketing/consulting side of things paid was to return as a guide for the next season. By being a guide, I had something of value again – the ability to actually run their tours! So I signed on, and sure enough after all those many months of no payments, I received a partial payment of the overdue marketing funds from the year before.
Say Cheese and Find a new Job
Shortly after this, better paying, less-stressful work opportunities came along, so I had to resign from being a Driver and Guide for Moose Travel. It was such a relief! I had collected about 1/2 of the marketing services money they owed me up to that point.
Moose Travel Goes Silent
After resigning from the driving and guiding duties, Moose Travel kept me on to continue to do some social media work for them each month. I was optimistic that the payments would continue to come through as they had while I was guiding the previous month, but I was wrong.
Payments stopped coming through again, so I knew it was time to cut things loose. They had hired a new marketing person, but had kept me on doing social postings. I knew that person would eventually take things over, so I advised Moose Travel that I’d be terminating my consulting services that June, and their final amount owing was $2000. I was even so kind as to keep some scheduled content running for them into July and August, free of charge.
Over the next couple of months many emails were exchanged. I tried to elevate things by saying I may have to go to a collection agency or let other people know about this situation. But payment was never received. Here are a few direct quotes from emails I received from the owner of Moose Travel, Megan Lalancette:
“I will send partial payment today to clear the outstanding balance.”
“Sorry, I have been away. I will get a payment out to you tomorrow.”
“Happy New Year to you as well. The season is just starting to pick up so we should be able to send something shortly. Again, thanks for your patience.”
“I will send you $500 today to start to pay this balance down.”
Notice one of those said “Happy New Year”? Ya, it dragged on into the next year. So, needless to say the amount still owing was $2000.
Now, in support of Moose Travel, they did send a wire-transfer payment of $500 as the last quote above mentions. But I was travelling and didn’t see the email right away. When I did see it (3 days after receiving it), there was also a “cancelled payment” message. The accountant at Moose Travel apparently got worried they sent payment to the wrong email, and cancelled it just 48 hours after sending.
A Moose! It was actually pretty rare to spot a Moose on a Moose trip
They didn’t bother to contact me to verify it was the right email, they simply cancelled it. I haven’t received a payment since then, despite confirming that it was the correct email. Who cancels a wire transfer after 48 hours, especially when you’ve sent transfers to that exact same email in the past?
As for those promised payment emails and phone calls, well my emails to info@moosetravel.com and megan@moosetravel.com never get replied to, and I left phone messages on their answering machine to no avail. After assuming I was put on some kind of blacklist by Moose Travel, I finally got in touch with Megan from Moose Travel one last time, almost three years later (January 2016) and it seemed payment was on the way! I even agreed to accept $1700 instead of the $2000 they owe me – if they paid it right away. Even that effort to get things settled didn’t work, as Megan went silent again.
Moose Travel’s Stall Tactics Worked…
From 2012 to 2016. Weeks became months, months became years, and now I had the paperwork ready to file off a lawsuit against Moose Travel. Sadly, I didn’t know what the typical statue of limitations was on such issues and of course had waited too long. I suspect now that was part of the plan on the Moose Travel end with their constant delay tactics. On the bright side, I did become more familiar with the process to take next time, in case someone else tries to skip out on payments to Red Hunt Travel.
I had a fun time going everywhere from Ottawa and Montreal to Halifax and Charlottetown with Moose Travel, thanks to the cool people who took the trips. It really was a shame I could never promote their trips in good conscience as there was always this lingering lack of trust behind the scenes.
Happy Travellers in Quebec
I’m sure almost everyone else I know would have spammed them on social media and reported them to the BBB and posted plenty of negative reviews about them. That really isn’t my approach, but should Moose Travel ever be reincarnated and start up again, I’d be very wary of giving them any money. Unfortunately there aren’t really any other great alternatives out there that I can recommend.
Have you dealt with any clients or companies who refused to pay? Have you had a poor experience with Moose Travel in recent years too? If so, let us all know so other people won’t make the same mistake trying to work with them!
One small side note, The owners of Moose Travel in western Canada were different, with the two company’s being totally different behind the scenes. While I haven’t worked with them, it may still be alright to travel with Moose in BC and Alberta.
Have you ever gone camping for Thanksgiving? We did the other year and had an absolute blast!
Autumn colours, cool nights and a cozy rustic cabin made for an ideal Thanksgiving getaway at Bonnechere Provincial Park. Enjoying some of the last warm days before fall took full effect, our group had a fantastic time exploring the park and taking advantage of the somewhat quiet conditions that fall camping allows for.
Rustic Cabin at Bonnechere Provincial Park
While the rustic cabins seemed booked up, the campground itself looked to only be 1/2 or 2/3rd full. Considering the weather was better than most of the summer, we felt lucky being able to go hiking on the trails, and canoeing down the river in relative peace and quiet, save for the sounds of busy birds, beavers, squirrels and chipmunks running around.
One fun highlight at Bonnechere that cracked us up was the McNaugton Trail with its “Footprints in Time”, which we dubbed “infologs” instead, as we thought it was a catchier name! it was actually a lot of fun reading and learning about the traditional local First Nations history and culture in a traditional way.
An “Infolog” at Bonnechere
By the light of the moon, we even did a midnight paddle down the river all the way to the lake. So peaceful, except for the occasional “splash” from an animal slipping into the water as we paddled by.
We even had time to take in a few games of horseshoes! How about that? Bonnechere was a surprising park for all of us. It had been on our radar before, but we were impressed by the range of trails, the nice beach area and the overall features of the park. While we are not camping for thanksgiving this year, it is quite possibly the start of a new tradition for years going forward.
Rustic Cabining at Bonnechere
What is a Rustic Cabin?
First off, it isn’t too rustic!
By rustic they mean it doesn’t have a washroom on-site, so you have to use the communal bathrooms and showers just as if you were car camping. But the rustic cabin does come with a screened in porch area, a spacious living room area and kitchen, plus two bedrooms.
BBQ Area at the Cabin
Outside you get firewood included, a BBQ area with propane BBQ included and a canoe for your use as well! Pretty sweet, if you consider that the cost of those extras can add up pretty quickly.
In fact, we had so much space around our cabin at Bonnechere that we were able to take advantage of the nice weather and play some lawn games like bocce ball and spikeball when we weren’t enjoying a campfire.
Horseshoes anyone?
The cabin kitchen had a kettle and mini-fridge and microwave that were handy. We did bring a couple of coolers along to keep extra food cold on the screened in patio, since it was Thanksgiving after all and we BBQ’d a turkey breast, along with all the extras for a special dinner.
We spent our days exploring the park, and sitting by the campfire, or lounging in a hammock we put up near the river. It was a hard camping experience to beat. With more and more Ontario Parks adding some rustic cabins, yurts or other accommodation options, this is the way to go for those early season and late season weekends where weather might not always cooperate – or where you simply want some extra comforts compared to sleeping in a tent.
Chipmunk!
We did have a short time of rain on our camping weekend, but a high-stakes game of Yahtzee in the cabin quickly turned that into a fun time too. A visit from one of the park wardens was fun too, giving us some insights into what it is like working at Ontario Parks, seemed like quite an interesting gig!
We can imagine this park to be a popular, busy place during peak summer months. It has a lot to offer for families with kids and the beach was impressive too. While we didn’t go swimming on Thanksgiving weekend, we were tempted! maybe we’ll have to return to go for a dip next time?
Hammock Time at Bonnechere
Checking out the little Library
Canoeing back to our cabin at Bonnechere Provincial Park
On a recent roadtrip in California I stopped to see some elephant seals.
But, I also got a lot of close encounters with some California ground squirrels. Apparently these cheeky little guys are very common along a good portion of the California coast, as well as up towards Oregon and even Washington state now.
Despite numerous “do not feed” signs at the elephant seal viewing area I was at, it seems these little critters are quite familiar with humans, and likely, foodstuffs provided by us.
A little darker brown in colour than some other ground squirrels I have seen in the US, in places like Wyoming, these California ground squirrels are not endangered at all, and to some they are considered pests.
I was actually surprised at how thick their coats of fur seemed to be. I mean, it was really windy there, but it was warm and sunny. You’d think California squirrels would be happier in a more slimming outfit, but I guess not.
The pumpkin beer “season” seems to expand every year. This is a troubling trend.
Like a weed, or a virus, it seems otherwise normal beer drinkers are being infected at alarmingly larger and larger numbers, helping to expedite the availability of this most vile type of flavoured beer.
This is the time of year that I most love and most dread when it comes to craft beer. Weather is getting cooler and it is harvest time, so beers like harvest ales or fresh hop brews begin to pop up. They signal a change, where darker, maltier, heavier beers become more prominent. Soon it will be stouts and porters taking the main stage in the beer fridge. I really look forward to this change.
But then there is the pumpkin beer phase. To me, it is akin to having an asparagus beer season in May, or a broccoli beer season in July or August. Why don’t those exist? I actually enjoy those vegetables more than pumpkin. So why does pumpkin beer even exist?
I know I am not alone in my hatred towards pumpkin beers. It is the most divisive style of beer around, I believe. Sure, some beer nerds can stand behind the pumpkin beer wagon, citing how it has been a style of beer for nearly 250 years, but I’d argue it should have died off long ago.
Over the years I have tried many, many pumpkin beers in an effort to try to appreciate them. But no. It does not happen. Each year I am left wondering why I wasted money and taste buds on these horrendous concoctions.
For those who are also tricked into drinking these beers each year, I give you the following Pumpkin beer reviews, so you know just how bad they are. Read them as a reminder next time you feel tempted.
On a good note, the dreaded pumpkin beer season is also a time of year I tend to take a month off of drinking beer. Sometime between September and November I’ll take a health break and when the market is saturated by pumpkins, it makes it a lot easier to stop drinking!
Even if you sugar coat the pumpkin beer with a massive dose of cinnamon, nutmeg, chocolate, brown sugar, allspice, anise or pretty much any other flavour agent, it is still going to be gross. That whole lipstick on pigs thing, you know?
Because of my lack of desire in drinking pumpkin beers, I must say that I “accidentally” aged some for more than a year, simply because I didn’t want to drink them. These beers are not meant to be aged, but I will say they tasted less-gross over time as the pumpkin taste died off, making them more tolerable than some fresh pumpkin beers.
I hate the smell of this beer. It’s pure pumpkin. Pumpkin pie, pumpkin mash…spiced pumpkin. Ok, so ya I hate pumpkin, which makes drinking pumpkin beers kind of odd. Usually there is some brown sugar or malts or flavour mix on the aroma that masks the pumpkin enough for me to find it drinkable. Not so with this beer. Pumpkin overload!
For some people that is a good thing – a pumpkin beer that smells like pumpkin pie. It pours with little head and is a deep golden orange colour. After a few minutes it appears totally still, no head remaining at all.
Moving past the aroma, it’s a strong beer this one (8.6%) but the alcohol is mostly hidden by a strong spice profile. Nutmeg, butter, cinnamon and of course pumpkin mix together for a strong flavoured brew. Overall it’s strong on pumpkin, a bit too much for me.
I have to admit to drinking this beer on multiple occasions. It was years ago, during a beer phase where I felt ashamed if I didn’t like certain beers that other people said were great. If at first you don’t like it, try and try again! NO…not with pumpkin beers I finally learned.
Caramely and spicey. It screams pumpkin beer and will make you wish for something else, anything else.
I have no idea if the fine folks at Bandido Brewing are going to make this beer again for 2018, but I suspect they will.
When you spend months in the Galapagos Islands, where almost every beer is a watery lager, you begin to crave any kind of new beer taste you can find. So, I enjoyed this pumpkin beer more than I would under normal circumstances, as my beer palate had been suffering prior to this.
If you find yourself in Quito, Ecuador and see this beer, give it a go as it may be the only pumpkin beer in Ecuador, so even if you hate the taste, hooray for the novelty factor!
It is a strange combination that works for some beer drinkers. For me, it does not. It may be a step above the usual pumpkin-laced beverage, but even with some Belgian yeasty-spicey flavours to counteract the pumpkin and related spicey flavours, it sucks in the overall grand scheme of beers. Despite the marketing BS on the label, I was once told this beer was simply No Chance with Miranda with pumpkin and spices added. It sounds about right.
Points added for being different, but multiple points deducted for still being a pumpkin beer.
Pumpkin beer-loving freaks will enjoy this one, but it wasn’t for me. I only had a sample on my most recent tasting, and that is about the proper serving size for any pumpkin beer.
Some vanilla actually cut through a lot of the pumpkin junk, without making the beer sweet, so that is a good thing. I like Lake of Bays, but their dedication to pumpkin style beers over the years creates a conundrum. If I avoid them from August-October I guess I am safe from the pumpkin invasion?
Likely the first, and only, time I will ever visit a brewery and try two pumpkin beers.
That is what I will remember most about Burnt Hickory. I enjoyed their special “Man in the Trees” version of this beer better, but this one kind of left me thinking pumpkin beers were not terrible, simply because all the flavours were so mild and muted.
Dubbed an imperial pumpkin porter, the beer somehow achieved a more sweet malty profile with a hint of liquorice. Unlike how I hate pumpkin flavours, even in beers, I do enjoy liquorice flavour in beer, despite hating black liquorice candy.
I had this some time ago, and didn’t take much in the way of notes except to clearly state it was “chewy”.
So, if you like thick pumpkin pie that requires chewing, I guess you’d like this abomination of a beer? Since pumpkin pie is beyond gross as well, saying this tastes like pumpkin pie should turn just about anyone off of it.
Overall I would call this more of a spiced beer than a pumpkin beer though. It clearly falls into the generic pumpkin ale flavour profile – nothing new to see here folks.
I do hope to find a pumpkin beer I really enjoy one day, although I fear it will never happen. This one was tolerable, partly because I sat on it for over a year and the flavours all just melded together into a slightly-spiced, minimal-pumpkin flavoured ale.
That’s the way I like my pumpkin beers, with minimal pumpkin flavour! This one was a tad sweet overall, and bit flat. I can’t imagine any pumpkin beer ever tasting better fresh, but hey…
I mean some pumpkin beers add odd spices, or have a different base beer instead of your typical ale. This is just an ale, with pumpkin and related spices added.
It has a pretty strong pumpkin aroma that wafts out at ya when you open it up, so that pretty much sets it up for disaster in my books. While sweet, its from the malts more than anything. Needs more spice, more body and less pumpkin!
Sweet and spicey or bland and boring? That is for you to decide, if you dare drink this pumpkin beer.
You can’t go wrong either way. The beer is inoffensive, but if you like nutmeg and cinnamon type spices, you’ll at least like that. Pumpkin flavour is mild in this one, which I obviously prefer. But if you’re craving a bold pumpkin beer, or bold beer at all, it is not this one. It’s kind of lame on flavour, like those cucumber and watermelon beers you see in summer…this is the pumpkin beer version of those.
But hey, lots of people don’t drink beer for the flavour, so go ahead and try this perennial contender for most-consumed pumpkin beer in Toronto.
Smells like pumpkin. Tastes like pumpkin. Seriously, pumpkin is a pretty strong flavour, so why do I torture myself trying so many pumpkin beers that I know I won’t want to ever drink again?
For this beer, I tried it because it was from New Zealand. You know – maybe their pumpkins taste different down there? Nope. They do not. The grossness of pumpkins seems to be global.
One saving grace for this beer was it had a dry, hoppy finish to it which cut out any potential lingering pumpkin flavour. Phew.
What the hell. Uh oh, no head. This beer pours flat and syrupy. Sugary liquid to follow? Yes, indeed.
This pumpkin beer has an overpoweringly sweet, sugary taste of molasses with very little evidence of alcohol or pumpkin flavour.
The finish of the beer does allow some spiced pumpkin taste to linger on the tongue, letting you realize that this is actually a pumpkin brew. Skip this one, unless you like pumpkin syrup.
As part of their Pugsley Signature Series, Shipyard releases this seasonal beer each year for any weird people that enjoy drinking liquid pumpkin guts.
It smells like pumpkin pie and nutmeg. It has a deep, dark orange colour to it and at 9% at least you only need to drink one or two to get a buzz, if that is what you’re after. I have no idea what a pumpkin-induced hangover would be like but I can only imagine it would be ugly.
I would say, of the limited beers I’ve had from Shipyard, this is my least favourite. They do make a root beer, which is average as well, so maybe I shouldn’t have had high expectations? (Yes, I often judge a brewery by their root beer).
I had this interesting pumpkin beer at a barleywine tasting recently and despite all the efforts, it still came out as a slightly sweet, kinda gross, pumpkin beer.
This one was aged in bourbon barrels with cinnamon and vanilla, and some other spices. If you try hard enough you can pick out the barrel influence and sweetness that rounds out the flavour profile.
Too much effort for lacklustre results in my opinion. Thanks for trying, but even a barrel-aged barleywine pumpkin beer still can’t convince me this style deserves to exist. Kill all pumpkins! Just don’t put them in my beers.
Now can we start talking about pecan pie beers instead of pumpkin pie beers? Because if more breweries released pecan pie beers I would be a happy drinker at this time of year! For those of you who actually do like pumpkin beers, I can say none of these beers would be deemed “bad” by your palate, except maybe the Black Creek beer, but I think I may have just had a bad / too old version of that one.
